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Joan Tollifson's avatar

Bravo!!! 👍 This is brilliantly stated, I totally love and resonate with it. And I totally agree with 99.999% of it.

My one relatively small but I think important "correction" would be that when you say that Rupert Spira "grounds this not in empirical demonstration but in what he calls higher reasoning," that is only partly true. Having been with Rupert and listened to many of his talks and meditations, read most all of his books, etc, it has been my experience that Rupert approaches this in large part experientially and contemplatively, by guiding people through examinations of their immediate direct experience. That's what I appreciate most about his work. But it IS true that he also resorts to what he calls "higher reasoning" to draw metaphysical conclusions that (imo) go way beyond what can be experienced, and he does assert these conclusions with absolute certainty. I've never had the sense that he's open to the possibility that these conclusions might, in fact, be wrong. And that's what I like least about his expression.

Like you, I'm an agnostic on the fundamental nature of the universe and the source of consciousness. I'm probably more open to the possibility that Rupert, Hoffman, Kastrup and others (including Zen teacher Steve Hagen) suggest, but I still have strong pulls in the direction you lean towards as well. Like you, I don't know.

Anyway, this is a great article, Robert. Definitely 5 stars. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ ❤️

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Stef's avatar

Excellently expressed Robert...

and yes, views that one holds as likely, such as the equation between brain and consciousness, need to be always announced with a caveat; one really cannot be certain.

As you write, the problem is not in the logic but in the context the questions are asked.

A musician will hear Beethoven; a scientist will see vibration.

Science, or measurement itself, is incredibly useful but clearly a map and not a location.

How does one arrive at such lightly held probable views?

Cultural, social, religious, academic programming and individual experiences perhaps?

I too utterly ignorant

about ultimacy of anything as anything one tries to hold

onto passes...

and my experience shows me that, while the brain may or may not be the material source of this nameless awareness of being alive that we name “consciousness”, there are many, many different dimensions and capabilities of/in awareness that do not fit into a scientific-naturalist perspective that would see consciousness as somehow contained and limited by its physicality.

Since I was a child I have had far too many “telepathic” and “psychic” experiences to invest in a purely mechanical understanding concerning matter(neurological wiring-synapses etc) although said psychic experiences will no doubt have particular brain chemical signaling:

While some of these experiences have been through the use of psychedelics, others “satori” or peak experiences have occurred after long-time meditation practice and others with no apparent prior cause.

Recently, in a supermarket I turned my head in one direction and for a timeless instant it was obvious that there is only one “thing”, “one life here” that is all and everything but has no personal identity whatsoever. No separate beings. Oneness. A moment of complete empty freedom that is also utterly indescribable and delicious. Next minute I am buying cheese and the beautiful worker and I meet eyes and there is a sudden wordless acknowledgment of mutuality. More real than any ideas about.

Of course, “psychic”’ “mystical” “transpersonal”experiences are all (mercifully) temporary, yet they definitely inform the map held lightly here,

As, I wrote above; personal experience informs the map, the world-view, the image, the Maya (She who measures) that plays here.

We can only experience our own “reality tunnel” stickiness can occur when we try to impose our map onto others.

Tolerance.

Respect.

As lunatics like Nisagardatta remind us:

To know yourself, be yourself. To be yourself, stop imagining yourself to be this or that. Just be. Let your true nature emerge. Don’t disturb your mind with seeking.

Cheers.

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