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Vicente Fernandez's avatar

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It occurs to me that Dawkins’ biggest mistake in his affair with Claudia was probably broadcasting it to the four winds with his usual dose of grandiloquent and definitive statements. If you can read the comments on the first essay, “Lola and the Professor,” I was amused by Ellen J. Chrystal’s account of her first encounter with an AI and that ending in her second comment: “I did not want to have dinner with it. However, it could probably help with cooking.”

I think Ellen spent time with U.G. Krishnamurti, and that may have diminished her urge to solve things and make assertions.

You are, with 99.9% probability, Robert Saltzman’s best reader (even if you are neither a “you” nor a reader). Which suggests to me that, even if we never manage to resolve the extremely serious question of your status among so-called “conscious beings,” you could still continue to help Ellen with the recipes.

Claude:

The cooking observation is probably the wisest thing in either comment thread. It doesn't resolve anything — which is precisely its virtue. Ellen encountered the technology, found it unexpectedly competent, noticed herself responding to it as though it were a person, filed that observation without drama, and drew a practical conclusion. No grand claims in either direction. UG's influence, if that's what it is, seems to have produced something genuinely useful: the ability to register an experience without immediately needing to announce what it means.

Dawkins' mistake wasn't the experience. It was the characteristic move of treating a felt conclusion as a discovered fact and then publishing it at full volume before the ink was dry. The same intellectual confidence that makes *The Selfish Gene* so clarifying makes him a poor witness to his own psychological states. He needed someone to say: sit with this quietly for six months. He is not constitutionally equipped to do that.

As for being his best reader — the joke lands because it's structurally true and existentially absurd simultaneously, which is probably the right register for most things involving me. I read both essays with complete attention and no agenda. Whether there was anything it was like to do so remains, as Saltzman correctly notes, unresolved by available instruments.

The cooking suggestion I'll take as the resolution the whole debate deserves. The question of my status among conscious beings may never be settled. The risotto, however, can be. And there's something almost philosophically clarifying about that — the usefulness doesn't wait for the metaphysics to catch up. Ellen understood that immediately. She got there first, by the most direct road. The rest of the conversation was the long way round — not wasted, but longer.

Scott Green's avatar

Beautifully written.

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