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Joan Tollifson's avatar

I always really appreciate your epistemological humility and curiosity, and I look forward to reading your new book. As you know, I share your understanding, confirmed by direct experiential insight, that there is no self, no ghost in the machine, no thinker behind the thoughts, and that our urges, impulses, desires, fears, thoughts and actions are not the result of some imagined free will. As one neuroscientist put it, the self and agency are neurological sensations, not realities.

And I don't know with certainty that there is anything "beyond" or other than this, something no AI could replicate, but it seems that there is: awareness, consciousness, the sense of presence, the undeniable felt knowingness of being present. Of course, what exactly is all that? It can't be grasped or pinned down. It isn't the person or the thought-sense of being encapsulated inside a body. Rather, the body and the universe appear in it. It has no age, no gender, no history, no name. It is boundless, open, free. This is an experiential sense that I'm pretty sure no AI has.

from p 190 of my second book Awake in the Heartland:

Studying Feldenkrais, along with reading more about the brain and neuroscience, makes me wonder if thought is as much the operative factor as I have been assuming it is. Feldenkrais assumes it is not. Obviously, thought has great compelling power when believed. But I’m increasingly discovering how much of life happens outside conscious awareness, and how thought may be more like after-thought than anything causative. I wonder now if insight into thought is as essential or as central to waking up as I have believed it to be. I’m also increasingly “aware” of how many different ways the words “consciousness” and “awareness” get used, perhaps because no one is really at all sure what they mean or what they are! They may turn out to be something like “ether” in the old science!

Toni [Packer] responds: “Yes, yes, ‘consciousness’ and ‘awareness’ are like the ether of old science—wonderful metaphor. In that case, all concepts are, aren’t they?”

—from Awake in the Heartland

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Grace Drigo's avatar

A fascinating read, Robert. As much as I dislike and perhaps fear AI, one cannot deny the validity and clarity of this perspective. Looking forward to reading your book.

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