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Lila Vita's avatar

Hi Robert,

It was great to read that great dream again. The way you present your view of the Awareness as unchanging container theory is so interesting and makes me reflect.

The way I've been seeing this lately is not as a certainty of Awareness as a container. It's more like being curious about this actual fact of experience, being, aliveness, life, is-ness. That something is even here and that it shows up in so many ways.

Maybe, as you say, this fact of experience is only possible via a noticing faculty of living nervous systems. Maybe not. Can't say. Even with the scientific research.

The way you're describing the naturalistic perspective, awareness seems to fit into a category with describable things that shows up in infinite ways, depending on the varying ways, extents and abilities of perception. Noticing the ability we have to notice, as you say.

This noticing seems to arise together with the fact of being. Perhaps you're saying that it makes more sense to you that what we're calling the fact of being is also a product of the nervous system noticing something and we can't stand outside of our biology to know anything else about it.

It does seem to me that there is something else that begins to emerge, regardless of nervous system changes and everything that shows up.

I can't know it conceptually. It's unfathomable, but it's there. It's an intimacy too close for words. Something that makes itself known, perhaps felt through a nervous system, but maybe at the same time also arising AS that nervous system.

It's that persisting sense that there IS something and yet no thing at the same time. And further yet, at the moment that is uttered, it's only a fraction of truth. So it can't be explained.

I think one is fortunate to experience relaxing and opening more and more into the unresolvability and wonder of it all, including everything and excluding nothing.

Would I adopt that as a philosophy? I doubt it, I'll just go on imagining continuous dancing and playing with this alive beingness as it shows up, which seems to enrich this existence with more and more aliveness, wonder and curiosity and the feeling that nothing has any independent existence. There's comfort in inconclusiveness itself.

Thanks for reading this, Robert. I'll always enjoy reading your books and articles.

I hope this appears with paragraph breaks. I place them, but it doesn't always seem to take, unfortunately. If you have any thoughts on what I wrote, I'd love to hear them. If not, that's ok, too.

Warm wishes always ~~

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Tim Miller's avatar

Great post. This sentence of yours really rings true for me, something I have discussed with a few people often (usually getting little or no agreement): "As understanding deepens, the boundaries of not-knowing constantly expand, reducing the little one does know to a tiny area surrounded by vast mystery."

This next may not pertain to your current post, but it occurred to me this morning that I should express it to someone like you who doesn't think a true self exists. I often find myself thinking, "I am nothing. I am no one." I usually interpret it as me being down on myself, or fretting about my insignificance. But now I wonder if it isn't a kind of recognition trying to break through.

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