Hi Robert re R Spira in your usual way you cut to the truth with that samurai sword, the excitement of your point of view delighted me I must say. All this sitting on a stage with beautiful lights etcetera Its easy well not for me, but I can see how people get hypnotised by these so called enlightened gurus. This is a hybrid of New Ageism!!!! I was there also in the 60sand 70s. Spira talks of "Awareness of Awareness" thats enough of a worm for those who fish for enlightenment as Karl Renz who I have a lot of time for would say "its all Business", Spira has become a product in a lovely show selling fish to the fishermen great business. There used to be a Song in the 50's Nice Work if You can Get it and You can Get it if you TRY. Frank Sinatra, Billy Holiday, etc. June Durkin
That's the way I see it too, June. So-called "non-duality" is a brand now, and so is Rupert.
As someone put it (perhaps Mark Twain?) A lie is halfway 'round the world before the truth can get its boots on.
The big lie here, in my opinion, is this:
You are not really going to die, because you are not an animal. No, not an animal at all, but "pure consciousness" which is deathless and changeless, and completely untouched by anything see, heard, thought, or otherwise experienced.
The power of personality is so persuasive isn't it? It's like the attraction we have for a mate / life partner. How can we avoid it? It seems hardwired in our brains and impossible to explain. What attracted me to the teachers / preachers I followed? I was so gung ho, I was truly enamored with them. I considered them to be more than human. That has finally dissipated. I guess it stemmed from my wanting to find something ouitside / beyond myself, and someone to show it to me....
I have wondered if you would at some point remove the reference to Spira from 4T, as he is evidently a preacher of what you consider to be delusion and nonsense. In the book you break down and dissolve spurious metaphysical positions such as his with skill and elegance, and yet the book almost begins with him as a positive feature, which can appear somewhat endorsing. I think it's rather a confusing intake as a reader.
I was asked about Spira and replied that I thought he was being honest about his experiences. I did not endorse Spira's position, so I see no need to edit my reply.
I like Rupert he comes across as Genuine but he makes experiential claims that can only be personal to him. It’s interesting he agrees almost 100%with Bernardo Kastrup & his Analytical Idealism but Bernardo is clearly in the scientific/ philosophical hypotheses camp.
I like Rupert he comes across as Genuine but he makes experiential claims that can only be personal to him. It’s interesting he agrees almost 100%with Bernardo Kastrup & his Analytical Idealism but Bernardo is clearly in the scientific/ philosophical hypotheses camp.
Hi Robert re R Spira in your usual way you cut to the truth with that samurai sword, the excitement of your point of view delighted me I must say. All this sitting on a stage with beautiful lights etcetera Its easy well not for me, but I can see how people get hypnotised by these so called enlightened gurus. This is a hybrid of New Ageism!!!! I was there also in the 60sand 70s. Spira talks of "Awareness of Awareness" thats enough of a worm for those who fish for enlightenment as Karl Renz who I have a lot of time for would say "its all Business", Spira has become a product in a lovely show selling fish to the fishermen great business. There used to be a Song in the 50's Nice Work if You can Get it and You can Get it if you TRY. Frank Sinatra, Billy Holiday, etc. June Durkin
That's the way I see it too, June. So-called "non-duality" is a brand now, and so is Rupert.
As someone put it (perhaps Mark Twain?) A lie is halfway 'round the world before the truth can get its boots on.
The big lie here, in my opinion, is this:
You are not really going to die, because you are not an animal. No, not an animal at all, but "pure consciousness" which is deathless and changeless, and completely untouched by anything see, heard, thought, or otherwise experienced.
Really? And you know that how exactly?
The power of personality is so persuasive isn't it? It's like the attraction we have for a mate / life partner. How can we avoid it? It seems hardwired in our brains and impossible to explain. What attracted me to the teachers / preachers I followed? I was so gung ho, I was truly enamored with them. I considered them to be more than human. That has finally dissipated. I guess it stemmed from my wanting to find something ouitside / beyond myself, and someone to show it to me....
Good. The solution is to stop the intellectual jabbering and wake up to the present moment
I have wondered if you would at some point remove the reference to Spira from 4T, as he is evidently a preacher of what you consider to be delusion and nonsense. In the book you break down and dissolve spurious metaphysical positions such as his with skill and elegance, and yet the book almost begins with him as a positive feature, which can appear somewhat endorsing. I think it's rather a confusing intake as a reader.
Hi, Tom.
I was asked about Spira and replied that I thought he was being honest about his experiences. I did not endorse Spira's position, so I see no need to edit my reply.
I like Rupert he comes across as Genuine but he makes experiential claims that can only be personal to him. It’s interesting he agrees almost 100%with Bernardo Kastrup & his Analytical Idealism but Bernardo is clearly in the scientific/ philosophical hypotheses camp.
I like Rupert he comes across as Genuine but he makes experiential claims that can only be personal to him. It’s interesting he agrees almost 100%with Bernardo Kastrup & his Analytical Idealism but Bernardo is clearly in the scientific/ philosophical hypotheses camp.
"He actively discourages guru worship. " That is total bullshit. He is almost always on stage and selling books, just like every other parasitic guru